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DinoThunderKira 02/21/18 12:02 PM

Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
It seems odd with their backstory that they were killed off without any closure.

Crimson Hunter 02/22/18 11:50 AM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Not every villian should get a happy ending. And its not like Dayu didn't bring this all on herself by making the evil deal. Plus she never took responsibility or asked for forgiveness.

MattEmily 02/22/18 06:13 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
I think it's fine.

Yes they had a tragic backstory but this isn't Disney not all villains should get a Disney happy ending.

Disney Ranger 02/22/18 08:10 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Disney would have gave them a happy ending. They would have turned human and become friends with the Rangers.

Inner Senshi 02/22/18 08:14 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
This really bothered me in Samurai and I don't think it was good for the kids. Deker and Dayu needed to be saved and become human.

Massive Ego 02/22/18 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Inner Senshi (Post 74949)
This really bothered me in Samurai and I don't think it was good for the kids. Deker and Dayu needed to be saved and become human.

And that was the only part of Samurai I liked. I was pleasantly surprised they had the guts to end things the difficult way. Too bad the rest of the season was garbage.

Green With Envy 02/22/18 08:22 PM

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Dayu never asked for forgiveness and gave up all hope. Mia even offered to help her and see refused. Its likely that Deker was completely different from the man she once loved. Since his human soul probably was gone once he originally died.

MattEmily 02/22/18 08:24 PM

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I agree with Green. Dayu never wanted forgiveness. Deker just wanted to battle until his curse was lifted even if that meant losing his own life in the process.

Jungle Master 02/22/18 08:25 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
I thought it was odd that they ended up working with Serrator after what he did to them. Deker had no memory but Dayu did.

MattEmily 02/22/18 08:55 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
all Deker knew was fighting with his Uramasa so it made sense once it was damaged

Jungle Pride Megazord 02/22/18 09:04 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Deker just couldn't overcome the curse of needing to fight his perfect opponent. Dayu couldn't escape her feelings of regret.

Disney Ranger 02/23/18 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jungle Pride Megazord (Post 74960)
Deker just couldn't overcome the curse of needing to fight his perfect opponent. Dayu couldn't escape her feelings of regret.

Power Rangsrs just gets too depressing when Disney is not in charge.

Captain Mutiny 02/26/18 05:35 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
They probably didn't want to bother with too much more original footage to make it work. Or perhaps it was the original plan but was abandoned due to time. Just like Isinia was almost droppes in SPD.

Disney Ranger 02/26/18 05:51 PM

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It makes me really wish Disney brought PR back themselves.

MattEmily 02/26/18 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Disney Ranger (Post 75097)
It makes me really wish Disney brought PR back themselves.

what don't you get? they're the freaking idiots who SOLD IT because they do NOT WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PRFan4Ever 02/26/18 06:20 PM

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I am surprised Disney didn't want it. I assumed someone invovled with Disney was a fan and that's why they bought it. If I was a fan and owned the series I would never sell.

MattEmily 02/26/18 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PRFan4Ever (Post 75117)
I am surprised Disney didn't want it. I assumed someone invovled with Disney was a fan and that's why they bought it. If I was a fan and owned the series I would never sell.

nope they only wanted Fox Family that's all they were interested in since it would give them an extra channel and the rights to some sports programming. Those programming rights they sent over to ESPN. Only things they had any interest in they didn't care about anything else in fact they didn't even know buying Fox Family Worldwide would mean taking everything that it had including rights whether they were ownership rights like with Power Rangers, dubbing rights like with Digimon or airing rights like with a few Marvel cartoons.

Tommy Fan 02/26/18 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MattEmily (Post 75120)
nope they only wanted Fox Family that's all they were interested in since it would give them an extra channel and the rights to some sports programming. Those programming rights they sent over to ESPN. Only things they had any interest in they didn't care about anything else in fact they didn't even know buying Fox Family Worldwide would mean taking everything that it had including rights whether they were ownership rights like with Power Rangers, dubbing rights like with Digimon or airing rights like with a few Marvel cartoons.

I do think they were crazy not to hang onto Power Rangers after they knew they had it. Plus after they ran it for so many years.

KimandTommy 02/27/18 12:04 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
I agree that the storyline should have had a happy ending.

Massive Ego 02/28/18 08:20 AM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
One of the few non crappy storylines that season. Too bad it wasn't enough to stop Samurai from outright sucking.

Inner Senshi 02/28/18 11:35 AM

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I still think it was all much too dark for kids though. I hope they keep storylines like that to a minimum.

Green With Envy 02/28/18 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Inner Senshi (Post 75152)
I still think it was all much too dark for kids though. I hope they keep storylines like that to a minimum.

I don't think it was an inappropriate storyline. It also teaches kids that there are consequences to making bad choices.

No More Pink 03/01/18 05:34 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Deker didn't know his true self and Dayu felt like there was no going back. So neither tried to make amends or make their situations better. They felt that evil was all they had and they destroyed themselves because of it.

MattEmily 03/01/18 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Inner Senshi (Post 75152)
I still think it was all much too dark for kids though. I hope they keep storylines like that to a minimum.

consider it a blessing that they went with that idea instead of Tzachoring it.

Legend Ranger 03/02/18 05:09 PM

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I'm surprised that they didn't.

Tzachor Era 03/02/18 07:31 PM

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This is proof that Tzachor didn't just copy Sentai.

MattEmily 03/02/18 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend Ranger (Post 75208)
I'm surprised that they didn't.

someone would've rejected it due to the content.

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Originally Posted by Tzachor Era (Post 75210)
This is proof that Tzachor didn't just copy Sentai.

no it's not. He probably wanted to Tzachor the story but he got rejected on it due to the content.

Knights of Ren 03/03/18 07:59 AM

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There is no way that they could use the Sentai Storyline without some major changes. some of the aspects of the story are still there. But its a lot darkee in Japan. PR actually kept ot a very tragic story and actually made them more sympathic.

Lightspeed Carter 03/03/18 11:59 AM

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I don't think Deker or Dayu would have been able to revert to being human. If they redeemed themselves they would have become purified spirits and moved on to the afterlife.

No Green Spandex 03/03/18 08:27 PM

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It was actually refreshing to see villians with a sympathetic backstory that weren't redeemed. It just makes them more well rounded. And makes them even more scary. Since they weren't just monsters and were human at one point. Quite literarly in this case.

MattEmily 03/03/18 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Knights of Ren (Post 75219)
There is no way that they could use the Sentai Storyline without some major changes. some of the aspects of the story are still there. But its a lot darkee in Japan. PR actually kept ot a very tragic story and actually made them more sympathic.

he/she is right in fact here's the info on their Sentai counterparts I'll edit it their PR names if they have a PR counterpart.

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Usukawa Dayu is the right hand of Doukoku (Master Xandred) and the only one he is kind to, provided she knows her place as his obedient and unquestioning servant. In life, she was Usuyuki, a woman who obsessed over Shinza, a man who never loved her. However, when scorned that he loved another woman instead of her, Usuyuki incinerated him and those at an engagement party in a suicidal crime of passion. But once witnessing that Shinza would still love another, Usuyuki's emotions corrupted her soul and turn her into Dayu, bonding Shinza's soul into a shamisen that she carries with her, creating eerie and unsettling songs that become a means to soothe Doukoku's rage.
However, she has trouble getting along with the Ayakashi because of her life as a human, which she makes attempts to reclaim. One failed attempt results with her being saved by Juuzo, developing feelings for the Gedou as she begins to defy Doukoku's orders as well. Though she claimed her feelings for Shinza had long died, after becoming a rogue, Dayu refuses to give him up as it would end her existence and she doesn't want Shiza's soul to be reunited with his love. Doukoku angry that she did not killed Juzo as he ordered her to, he burnt her shamisen, making Shinza moan. She told Juzo her feelings for Shinza had disappeared but Juzo (Deker) did not believe this true.

Soon after Akumaro's demise, Dayu returns to the Rokumon Junk to assist in Doukoku's reawakening. Dayu deliberately has Shinken Pink destroy her shamisen. Which discards her of her past life, but it also revives Doukoku. She later uses the last of her power to restore Doukoku's body with only her kimono remaining, which Doukoku later throws into the Sanzu River. In battle, Dayu wields a shortsword hidden in her shamisen, with the headstock as its hilt. Her name is translated as thin-skinned courtesan and she is the basis for the futakuchi-onna of Japanese myth.
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Juzo Fuwa is a mysterious Gedoushu, regarded by the others as a lone wolf, yet he seems to know more than Doukoku about the Sanzu River's true potential. He first appears in Episode 7. Juzo was previously a human master swordsman in life, eventually becoming disenchanted with the ways of bushido and thriving more on the pleasure of killing his opponents in battle. When he contracts a fatal illness, Juzo enters the Sanzu River to cheat death, completely discarding the goodness in his heart to become a Gedou, a half-Gedoushu that can freely exist in both realms and keep his human form. As a result, Juzo is condemned with an insatiable urge to find an ideal opponent, a fellow samurai who strays from the teachings of bushido, to clash blades with, saying his katana, Uramasa hungers for it.

He finds this opponent in Takeru Shiba, after witnessing his swordfighting. He had asked Doukoku permission to fight Shinken Red and Doukoku blindly approved without realizing he was the one to seal him. This obsession with fighting Shinken Red leads Doukoku to seal Juuzo's Gedoushu powers, leaving him for dead in the Sanzu River. Although he barely survives with Dayu's aid, he cured Takeru of Shitari's poisoning. He makes Takeru promise to fight, but when Gold comes to save him, Juzo agrees to fight the next time. After a long battle in which he manages to severely wound Shinken Red, Juzo is defeated and falls off the cliff into the ocean below in Episode 26. Dayu seemed to have feelings for Juzo but after he made her realized she hadn't given up on her feelings for Shinza, she was peaved at him.

Later fed up waiting for the Uramasa to be repaired, Juzo confronts Akumaro and learns his weapon's origins and that he is a pawn in his plan. by fooling Akumaro (Serrator) into giving him back his tool and cutting him down, Juzo reveals he knew the truth behind Uramasa from the first time he held it, thus preventing Akumaro from fulfilling his plan. Later, after the real Shiba House head is revealed, Juzo gets Takeru to duel him once again before finally falling to him in battle with a delayed hit after Uramasa finally stops its master and denies him his only desire. Uramasa remains in the physical world after Juzo fades away until the souls that formed it are finally able to depart into the afterlife.

White Tiger Fan 03/03/18 10:21 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
I like Amit's idea to adapt Juzo as Jayden's friend/rival, who is secretly descended from Xandred.

MattEmily 03/03/18 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by White Tiger Fan (Post 75243)
I like Amit's idea to adapt Juzo as Jayden's friend/rival, who is secretly descended from Xandred.

please that would've broke Saban Brands if anything that was never "an original pitch" and is just a bogus claim he threw out once he saw the hate the show was getting. Both of you need to learn the concept of a budget.

Samurai Mentor 03/03/18 10:41 PM

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Isn't the Deker Counterpart Jayden's brother in Amit's version?

Samurai Gigazord 03/03/18 10:41 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Yes but the names are all different.

PRangerX 03/03/18 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MattEmily (Post 75244)
please that would've broke Saban Brands if anything that was never "an original pitch" and is just a bogus claim he threw out once he saw the hate the show was getting. Both of you need to learn the concept of a budget.

I actually think it could have worked. Because it didn't stray too far from the Sentai Footage.His other pitches seem like they would have been a lot harder to adapt.

Superstatler 03/03/18 10:58 PM

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Here is Amit's treatment for those who haven't seen it.

http://amitbhaumik.tumblr.com/post/5...murai-proposal

Green With Envy 03/03/18 11:04 PM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Interesting idea. But I liked the way they handled Dayu and Deker in reality. However, I like his overall storyline better. If it could have been adapted.

Massive Ego 03/03/18 11:16 PM

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Its a better storyline than Samurai that wouldn't suck. But I don't know if it was anymlre adaptable than a fan fic.

Hexagon Ranger 03/04/18 12:42 AM

Re: Why weren't Deker and Dayu redeemed
 
Amit's ideas would have been a lot better. I don't like how the brother would have turned good. I think it would have been a cop out. If you are going to do the evil brother storyline, go all the way with it.


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